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1 S.32

2 Introduced by Senator Baruth

3 Referred to Committee on

4 Date:

5 Subject: Crimes; weapons; possession of semiautomatic assault weapons and

6 large capacity ammunition feeding devices

7 Statement of purpose: This bill proposes to prohibit the manufacture,

8 possession, or transfer of semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity

9 ammunition feeding devices; and to make it a crime for a person to negligently

10 leave a firearm accessible to a child.

11 An act relating to semiautomatic assault weapons and large capacity

12 ammunition feeding devices

13 It is hereby enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Vermont:

14 Sec. 1. 13 V.S.A. § 4017 is added to read

15 § 4017. SEMIAUTOMATIC ASSAULT WEAPONS

16 (a) A person shall not manufacture, possess, or transfer a semiautomatic

17 assault weapon.

18 (b) A person who violates this section shall be imprisoned for not more

19 than one year or fined not more than $500.00, or both.

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(c) This section shall not apply to the possession 1 or transfer of any

2 semiautomatic assault weapon otherwise lawfully possessed on the effective

3 date of this act.

4 (d) This section shall not apply to:

5 (1) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms,

6 specified in subdivision (f)(5) of this section, as these firearms were

7 manufactured on the effective date of this act;

8 (2) any firearm that:

9 (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;

10 (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

11 (C) is an antique firearm;

12 (3) any semiautomatic rifle that cannot accept a detachable magazine

13 that holds more than five rounds of ammunition; or

14 (4) any semiautomatic shotgun that cannot hold more than five rounds

15 of ammunition in a fixed or detachable magazine.

16 (e) This section shall not apply to a semiautomatic assault weapon:

17 (1) manufactured for, transferred to, or possessed by the United States or

18 a department or agency of the United States, or any state or a department,

19 agency, or political subdivision of a state;

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(2) transferred to or possessed by a state or 1 federal law enforcement

2 officer for legitimate law enforcement purposes, whether the officer is on or

3 off duty;

4 (3) transferred to a licensee under Title I of the Atomic Energy Act of

5 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical

6 protection system and security organization required by federal law, or

7 possessed by an employee or contractor of such a licensee on-site for these

8 purposes, or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or

9 transportation of nuclear materials;

10 (4) possessed by an individual who is retired from service with a law

11 enforcement agency after having been transferred to the individual by the

12 agency upon his or her retirement, provided that the individual is not otherwise

13 prohibited from receiving ammunition; or

14 (5) manufactured, transferred, or possessed by a licensed manufacturer

15 or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized

16 by the U.S. Attorney General.

17 (f)(1) As used in this section, “semiautomatic assault weapon” means:

18 (A) any of the firearms, or copies or duplicates of the firearms in any

19 caliber, known as:

20 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat

21 Kalashnikovs (all models);

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(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military 1 Industries UZI and Galil;

2 (iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);

3 (iv) Colt AR-15;

4 (v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;

5 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;

6 (vii) Steyr AUG;

7 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22; or

8 (ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as, or similar to, the Street

9 Sweeper and Striker 12.

10 (B) A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable

11 magazine and has at least two of the following features:

12 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;

13 (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of

14 the weapon;

15 (iii) a bayonet mount;

16 (iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to

17 accommodate a flash suppressor; or

18 (v) a grenade launcher.

19 (C) A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable

20 magazine and has at least two of the following features:

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(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches 1 to the pistol outside the

2 pistol grip;

3 (ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash

4 suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;

5 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely

6 encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the

7 nontrigger hand without being burned;

8 (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol

9 is unloaded; or

10 (v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm.

11 (D) A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least two of the following

12 features:

13 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;

14 (ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of

15 the weapon;

16 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of five rounds; or

17 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.

18 (2)(A) “Semiautomatic assault weapon” shall not mean any of the

19 following: Centerfire Rifles—Autoloaders—Browning BAR Mark II Safari

20 Semi-Auto Rifle; Browning BAR Mark II Safari Magnum Rifle; Browning

21 High-Power Rifle; Heckler & Koch Model 300 Rifle; Iver Johnson M-1

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Carbine; Iver Johnson 50th Anniversary M-1 Carbine; 1 Marlin Model 9 Camp

2 Carbine; Marlin Model 45 Carbine; Remington Nylon 66 Auto-Loading Rifle;

3 Remington Model 7400 Auto Rifle; Remington Model 7400 Rifle; Remington

4 Model 7400 Special Purpose Auto Rifle; Ruger Mini-14 Autoloading Rifle

5 (without folding stock); Ruger Mini Thirty Rifle; Browning Model 81 BLR

6 Lever-Action Rifle; Browning Model 81 Long Action BLR; Browning Model

7 1886 Lever-Action Carbine; Browning Model 1886 High Grade Carbine;

8 Cimarron 1860 Henry Replica; Cimarron 1866 Winchester Replicas; Cimarron

9 1873 Short Rifle; Cimarron 1873 Sporting Rifle; Cimarron 1873 30″ Express

10 Rifle; Dixie Engraved 1873 Rifle; E.M.F. 1866 Yellowboy Lever Actions;

11 E.M.F. 1860 Henry Rifle; E.M.F. Model 73 Lever-Action Rifle; Marlin Model

12 336CS Lever-Action Carbine; Marlin Model 30AS Lever-Action Carbine;

13 Marlin Model 444SS Lever-Action Sporter; Marlin Model 1894S

14 Lever-Action Carbine; Marlin Model 1894CS Carbine; Marlin Model 1894CL

15 Classic; Marlin Model 1895SS Lever-Action Rifle; Mitchell 1858 Henry

16 Replica; Mitchell 1866 Winchester Replica; Mitchell 1873 Winchester

17 Replica; Navy Arms Military Henry Rifle; Navy Arms Henry Trapper; Navy

18 Arms Iron Frame Henry; Navy Arms Henry Carbine; Navy Arms 1866

19 Yellowboy Rifle; Navy Arms 1873 Winchester-Style Rifle; Navy Arms 1873

20 Sporting Rifle; Remington 7600 Slide Action; Remington Model 7600 Special

21 Purpose Slide Action; Rossi M92 SRC Saddle-Ring Carbine; Rossi M92 SRS

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Short Carbine; Savage 99C Lever-Action Rifle; 1 Uberti Henry Rifle; Uberti

2 1866 Sporting Rifle; Uberti 1873 Sporting Rifle; Winchester Model 94 Side

3 Eject Lever-Action Rifle; Winchester Model 94 Trapper Side Eject;

4 Winchester Model 94 Big Bore Side Eject; Winchester Model 94 Ranger Side

5 Eject Lever-Action Rifle; Winchester Model 94 Wrangler Side Eject; Alpine

6 Bolt-Action Rifle; A-Square Caesar Bolt-Action Rifle; A-Square Hannibal

7 Bolt-Action Rifle; Anschutz 1700D Classic Rifles; Anschutz 1700D Custom

8 Rifles; Anschutz 1700D Bavarian Bolt-Action Rifle; Anschutz 1733D

9 Mannlicher Rifle; Barret Model 90 Bolt-Action Rifle; Beeman/HW60J

10 Bolt-Action Rifle; Blaser R84 Bolt-Action Rifle; BRNO 537 Sporter

11 Bolt-Action Rifle; BRNO ZKB 527 Fox Bolt-Action Rifle; BRNO ZKK 600,

12 601, 602 Bolt-Action Rifles; Browning A-Bolt Rifle; Browning A-Bolt

13 Stainless Stalker; Browning A-Bolt Left Hand; Browning A-Bolt Short Action;

14 Browning Euro-Bolt Rifle; Browning A-Bolt Gold Medallion; Browning

15 A-Bolt Micro Medallion; Century Centurion 14 Sporter; Century Enfield

16 Sporter #4; Century Swedish Sporter #38; Century Mauser 98 Sporter; Cooper

17 Model 38 Centerfire Sporter; Dakota 22 Sporter Bolt-Action Rifle; Dakota 76

18 Classic Bolt-Action Rifle; Dakota 76 Short Action Rifles; Dakota 76 Safari

19 Bolt-Action Rifle; Dakota 416 Rigby African; E.A.A./Sabatti Rover 870

20 Bolt-Action Rifle; Auguste Francotte Bolt-Action Rifles; Carl Gustaf 2000

21 Bolt-Action Rifle; Heym Magnum Express Series Rifle; Howa Lightning

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Bolt-Action Rifle; Howa Realtree Camo Rifle; Interarms 1 Mark X Viscount

2 Bolt-Action Rifle; Interarms Mini-Mark X Rifle; Interarms Mark X Whitworth

3 Bolt-Action Rifle; Interarms Whitworth Express Rifle; Iver Johnson Model

4 5100A1 Long-Range Rifle; KDF K15 American Bolt-Action Rifle; Krico

5 Model 600 Bolt-Action Rifle; Krico Model 700 Bolt-Action Rifles; Mauser

6 Model 66 Bolt-Action Rifle; Mauser Model 99 Bolt-Action Rifle; McMillan

7 Signature Classic Sporter; McMillan Signature Super Varminter; McMillan

8 Signature Alaskan; McMillan Signature Titanium Mountain Rifle; McMillan

9 Classic Stainless Sporter; McMillan Talon Safari Rifle; McMillan Talon

10 Sporter Rifle; Midland 1500S Survivor Rifle; Navy Arms TU-33/40 Carbine;

11 Parker-Hale Model 81 Classic Rifle; Parker-Hale Model 81 Classic African

12 Rifle; Parker-Hale Model 1000 Rifle; Parker-Hale Model 1100M African

13 Magnum; Parker-Hale Model 1100 Lightweight Rifle; Parker-Hale Model

14 1200 Super Rifle; Parker-Hale Model 1200 Super Clip Rifle; Parker-Hale

15 Model 1300C Scout Rifle; Parker-Hale Model 2100 Midland Rifle;

16 Parker-Hale Model 2700 Lightweight Rifle; Parker-Hale Model 2800 Midland

17 Rifle; Remington Model Seven Bolt-Action Rifle; Remington Model Seven

18 Youth Rifle; Remington Model Seven Custom KS; Remington Model Seven

19 Custom MS Rifle; Remington 700 ADL Bolt-Action Rifle; Remington 700

20 BDL Bolt-Action Rifle; Remington 700 BDL Varmint Special; Remington 700

21 BDL European Bolt-Action Rifle; Remington 700 Varmint Synthetic Rifle;

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Remington 700 BDL SS Rifle; Remington 700 Stainless 1 Synthetic Rifle;

2 Remington 700 MTRSS Rifle; Remington 700 BDL Left Hand; Remington

3 700 Camo Synthetic Rifle; Remington 700 Safari; Remington 700 Mountain

4 Rifle; Remington 700 Custom KS Mountain Rifle; Remington 700 Classic

5 Rifle; Ruger M77 Mark II Rifle; Ruger M77 Mark II Magnum Rifle; Ruger

6 M77RL Ultra Light; Ruger M77 Mark II All-Weather Stainless Rifle; Ruger

7 M77 RSI International Carbine; Ruger M77 Mark II Express Rifle; Ruger

8 M77VT Target Rifle; Sako Hunter Rifle; Sako FiberClass Sporter; Sako Safari

9 Grade Bolt Action; Sako Hunter Left-Hand Rifle; Sako Classic Bolt Action;

10 Sako Hunter LS Rifle; Sako Deluxe Lightweight; Sako Super Deluxe Sporter;

11 Sako Mannlicher-Style Carbine; Sako Varmint Heavy Barrel; Sako TRG-S

12 Bolt-Action Rifle; Sauer 90 Bolt-Action Rifle; Savage 110G Bolt-Action

13 Rifle; Savage 110CY Youth/Ladies Rifle; Savage 110WLE One of One

14 Thousand Limited Edition Rifle; Savage 110GXP3 Bolt-Action Rifle; Savage

15 110F Bolt-Action Rifle; Savage 110FXP3 Bolt-Action Rifle; Savage 110GV

16 Varmint Rifle; Savage 112FV Varmint Rifle; Savage Model 112FVS Varmint

17 Rifle; Savage Model 112BV Heavy Barrel Varmint Rifle; Savage 116FSS

18 Bolt-Action Rifle; Savage Model 116FSK Kodiak Rifle; Savage 110FP Police

19 Rifle; Steyr-Mannlicher Sporter Models SL, L, M, S, S/T; Steyr-Mannlicher

20 Luxus Model L, M, S; Steyr-Mannlicher Model M Professional Rifle; Tikka

21 Bolt-Action Rifle; Tikka Premium Grade Rifles; Tikka Varmint/Continental

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Rifle; Tikka Whitetail/Battue Rifle; Ultra Light 1 Arms Model 20 Rifle; Ultra

2 Light Arms Model 28, Model 40 Rifles; Voere VEC 91 Lightning Bolt-Action

3 Rifle; Voere Model 2165 Bolt-Action Rifle; Voere Model 2155, 2150

4 Bolt-Action Rifles; Weatherby Mark V Deluxe Bolt-Action Rifle; Weatherby

5 Lasermark V Rifle; Weatherby Mark V Crown Custom Rifles; Weatherby

6 Mark V Sporter Rifle; Weatherby Mark V Safari Grade Custom Rifles;

7 Weatherby Weathermark Rifle; Weatherby Weathermark Alaskan Rifle;

8 Weatherby Classicmark No.

9 (B) The fact that a firearm is not listed in subdivision (f)(2)(A) of this

10 section shall not be construed to mean that this section applies to that firearm.

11 Sec. 2. 13 V.S.A. § 4018 is added to read

12 § 4018. LARGE CAPACITY AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICES

13 (a) A person shall not manufacture, possess, or transfer a large capacity

14 ammunition feeding device.

15 (b) A person who violates this section shall be imprisoned for not more

16 than one year or fined not more than $500.00, or both.

17 (c) This section shall not apply to the possession or transfer of any large

18 capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise lawfully possessed on or before

19 the effective date of this act.

20 (d) This section shall not apply to any large capacity ammunition feeding

21 device:

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(1) manufactured for, transferred to, or possessed 1 by the United States or

2 a department or agency of the United States, or any state or a department,

3 agency, or political subdivision of a state;

4 (2) transferred to or possessed by a state or federal law enforcement

5 officer for legitimate law enforcement purposes, whether the officer is on or

6 off duty;

7 (3) transferred to a licensee under Title I of the Atomic Energy Act of

8 1954 for purposes of establishing and maintaining an on-site physical

9 protection system and security organization required by federal law, or

10 possessed by an employee or contractor of such a licensee on-site for these

11 purposes, or off-site for purposes of licensee-authorized training or

12 transportation of nuclear materials;

13 (4) possessed by an individual who is retired from service with a law

14 enforcement agency after having been transferred to the individual by the

15 agency upon his or her retirement, provided that the individual is not otherwise

16 prohibited from receiving ammunition; or

17 (5) manufactured, transferred, or possessed by a licensed manufacturer

18 or licensed importer for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized

19 by the U.S. Attorney General.

20 (e) As used in this section, “large capacity ammunition feeding device”

21 mean a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device manufactured after

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the date of enactment of the Assault Weapons Ban 1 Renewal Act of 2007 that

2 has a capacity of, or that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more

3 than 10 rounds of ammunition, provided that “large capacity ammunition

4 feeding device” shall not include an attached tubular device designed to accept,

5 and capable of operating only with, .22 caliber rimfire ammunition.

6 Sec. 3. 13 V.S.A. § 4019 is added to read:

7 § 4019. NEGLIGENT STORAGE OF A FIREARM

8 (a) As used in this section:

9 (1) “Child”means a person under 18 years of age.

10 (2) “Firearm” means any weapon, whether loaded or unloaded, that will

11 expel a projectile by the action of an explosive and includes any weapon

12 commonly referred to as a pistol, revolver, rifle, gun, machine gun, or shotgun.

13 (3) “Locking device” means a device that is designed to prevent a

14 firearm from functioning and that, when applied to a firearm, renders the

15 firearm inoperable.

16 (b) A person is guilty of negligent storage of a firearm in the first degree if:

17 (1) the person keeps a loaded firearm within any premises that are under

18 the person’s custody or control;

19 (2) the person knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to

20 gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child’s parent or legal

21 guardian; and

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(3) a child obtains access to the firearm 1 and uses it to cause death or

2 serious bodily injury to any person.

3 (c) A person is guilty of negligent storage of a firearm in the second

4 degree if:

5 (1) the person keeps a loaded firearm within any premises that are under

6 the person’s custody or control;

7 (2) the person knows or reasonably should know that a child is likely to

8 gain access to the firearm without the permission of the child’s parent or legal

9 guardian; and

10 (3) a child obtains access to the firearm and discharges it or uses it in the

11 commission of a crime or uses it to cause injury to any person.

12 (d) This section shall not apply if:

13 (1) the child obtains the firearm as a result of an illegal entry into any

14 premises by any person;

15 (2) the firearm is kept in a locked container or in a location that a

16 reasonable person would believe to be secure;

17 (3) the firearm is carried on the person or within such close proximity to

18 the person that it can readily be retrieved and used as if carried on the person;

19 (4) the firearm is locked with a locking device that renders the firearm

20 inoperable;

21 (5) The person from whom the child obtains the firearm is a law

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enforcement officer or a member of the U.S. Armed 1 Forces or National Guard

2 engaged in the performance of the person’s official duties;

3 (6) the child obtains or discharges the firearm during the course of a

4 lawful act of self-defense or defense of another person; or

5 (7) a reasonable person would not expect a child to be present on the

6 premises where the firearm was obtained.

7 (e) A person who:

8 (1) violates subsection (b) of this section shall be imprisoned not more

9 than three years or fined not more than $10,000.00, or both.

10 (2) violates subsection (c) of this section shall be imprisoned not more

11 than one year or fined not more than $1,000.00, or both.

12 (f) If a violation of this section leads to the accidental shooting of a child of

13 the person who committed the violation:

14 (1) The state’s attorney shall consider the impact of the child’s injury or

15 death on the person when deciding whether to file charges under this section.

16 (2) No prosecution shall be brought unless the person behaved in a

17 grossly negligent manner or unless similarly egregious circumstances exist.

18 (3) The person shall not be arrested for violating this section until:

19 (A) at least seven days after the date upon which the accidental

20 shooting occurred; and

21 (B) after a law enforcement officer considers the nature and extent of

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the child’s injuries, including whether the child is in critical 1 medical condition.

2 (g) Nothing in this section may be construed to affect any existing right to

3 purchase and own firearms or to provide authority to any state or local agency

4 to infringe upon the privacy of any family, home, or business except by lawful

5 warrant, including rights under Chapter I, Articles 9 and 16 and Chapter II,

6 § 59 of the Constitution of the State of Vermont.

7 Sec. 4. 13 V.S.A. § 4006 is amended to read:

8 § 4006. RECORD OF FIREARM SALES; WARNING

9 (a) All pawnbrokers and retail merchants dealing in firearms shall keep a

10 record book in which they shall record the sale by them of all revolvers and

11 pistols, and the purchase by them of all secondhand revolvers and pistols.

12 Such record shall include the date of the transaction, the marks of identification

13 of the firearm, including the manufacturer’s name, the caliber, model, and

14 manufacturer’s number of the firearm, the name, address, birthplace,

15 occupation, age, height, weight, and color of eyes and hair of the purchaser or

16 seller. Such purchaser or seller shall sign his or her name to the record, and the

17 pawnbroker or merchant shall preserve such record book for six years after the

18 date of last entry and shall permit all enforcement officers to inspect the same

19 at all reasonable times. A person, partnership, or corporation who violates a

20 provision of this section shall be fined not more than $100.00.

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(b) All pawnbrokers and retail merchants 1 dealing in firearms shall:

2 (1) conspicuously post at each purchase counter, in bold type not less

3 than one inch in height, the following warning: TO PREVENT

4 UNAUTHORIZED USE OR MISUSE BY CHILDREN, VERMONT LAW

5 REQUIRES THIS FIREARM TO BE STORED SO THAT IT IS SECURE

6 AND INACCESSIBLE TO CHILDREN; and

7 (2) provide a written copy of the warning described in subdivision (1) of

8 this subsection to every person who purchases a firearm.

9 Sec. 5. EFFECTIVE DATE

10 This act shall take effect on July 1, 2013.

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2013, 12:22:33 PM »

Can someone please dumb this down for me.  Is this article trying to say the state of vermont is trying to ban all firearms that are operated with a bolt, pump, lever, or slide action except the ones they listed?  And also trying to ban mags for pistols over 10 rounds, and over 5 rounds for other firearms?

I'm apparently not bright enough to understand the government lingo, and I just want to make sure I know the acts before I sound off
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2013, 12:30:21 PM »

Shadylane - I browsed quickly thru it as you had my attention about the bolt and pump action rifles.  It appears that they shall not apply to those types of guns. These are not rapid fire types of guns.


This section shall not apply to:

5 (1) any of the firearms, or replicas or duplicates of the firearms,

6 specified in subdivision (f)(5) of this section, as these firearms were

7 manufactured on the effective date of this act;

8 (2) any firearm that:

9 (A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action;

10 (B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or

11 (C) is an antique firearm;

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2013, 12:52:23 PM »

Ryan,

Basically pertains to AR15 style and some other Semi Auto weapons and you are correct with the magazine capacities. It's crap and I suggest people call their local state senators and tell them how we feel before they vote on it!!
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2013, 01:20:52 PM »

And while they are talking to the Sgt. at Arms to let the senators know their opinion on this, please also let them know childcare workers in Vt do NOT need a union!! Parents, friends any & everyone, please make the call today 802-828-2228 & tell them NO UNION FOR CHILDCARE WORKERS!!!!   thankyou
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2013, 01:47:33 PM »

toll free at 800-322-5616

phone lines are busy today, Franklin County Senators are Don Collins and Norm McAllister
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2013, 01:58:35 PM »

Josh,

Does the high capacity clips pertain to all firearms?  Correct me if I'm wrong again but in reading this does it say if your a have a pistol with a mag that holds more then 10 rounds you could go to jail for up to a year and/or be fined $500?  So I'd have to get new 10 round clips for my beretta!  Not gonna happen

Making it harder for Americans to own firearms, and making it so the honest can only have mags that hold so much ammo is not going to solve anything.  We do NOT have a gun problem in America, we have a society problem!    

I'm sorry but this is getting ridiculous when as a nation are we going to stand up and say no more?  Our government continues to pick away at the rights of the honest americans all while they passively let the criminals get away with murder.  Tax the hard working americans to the point they can hardly breath, but then allow millions of americans and non-americans live here while not trying to pull their weight in making this country a better place to live.

Tell you what I will do, I'll continue to go to work every day, pay my taxes, and pull my weight because thats how I was brought up.  I'll try my best to help out others in my community and try to make this place a better place to live because thats how I was raised.  But no matter what laws are put in place I'll be keeping my beretta with both 17 round clips loaded in my night stand to protect myself and my family because again thats how I was raised!  I wont stand by and let my government make me a victim of the society and culture we have created.

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2013, 02:29:41 PM »

Shadylane,

     This is nothing more than a knee jerk reaction by unknowing politicians. They think they can legislate problems and crime away, by laying more restrictions, regulations and control over the law abiding citizens. They absolutely don't get the fact that the bad guys don't care about laws and actually prefer to know that there is a better chance of them succeding in their evil endeavors, by having an unarmed populace. Progressive philosophy as stated by Rahm Emanuel (Obamas' former Chief of Staff).... never let a crisis go to waste, but you gotta act fast in order to take advantage of the emotions of the population.

      If I remember correctly, they didn't try to ban weapons when it was the government shooting kids at Kent State. But I digress.....

                                                                                                                   Thor

     
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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2013, 02:49:54 PM »

shady i say this whit the utmost respect for you but if it came right down to the nitty gritty i think you would cave as would most people
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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 02:58:05 PM »

With the utmost back to you Rod sitting around and caving and allowing the ones we vote in that are suppose to work for us, instead work their own agendas is the reason this country is in the kind of place it is.
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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2013, 03:34:57 PM »

agreed 3plusk
This Wednesday, January 16th is our Lobby Day.  Since the majority of us can't be at the statehouse in person, the hope is that we will all flood our senators with phone calls and emails. The phone call literally takes three minutes, tops, and all you are doing is leaving a message with the attendant.  Emails can also be quick and easy.  Also, the more people you can get to call, the better.  I am asking all of my childcare parents to take three minutes during the day to call, and if you can get at least one parent to call, that is fabulous.  The goal is to literally flood the senators with our opposition. 
 
You can call the Sergeant at Arms office and leave a message for your Senator. That number is 802-828-2228.  When you call, you can state "I'd like to leave a message for Senator(s) xxxxx."  You will be asked your name and town (phone number?).  The message you should leave is "I am a home childcare provider and oppose being unionized."    That's it. 
 
You can find your Senator, as well as their email here based on your county: http://leg.state.vt.us/lms/legdir/districts.asp?Body=S&Session=2014

If you would like to email your Senator, in addition to calling, below are some quick talking points you can choose from to copy and paste into an email:
 
 Dear Senator,
 
 I am unable to make it to the state house due to providing at-home child care. Please oppose the unionization of child care workers because…

 ·         This bill is not about improving early childhood education.  I, among 75 percent of those polled believe that unionization of childcare workers is not in the best interest of the children I provide for and their families, nor for my best interest.

 ·         If the legislature moves forward and enacts a bill that will offer the opportunity to unionize, I lose my voice: as an independent provider and as a professional in the childcare community. I lose my freedom to represent myself and the interests of the children in my care. If we become united in a union, we as individuals fall and the ones who suffer the most will be the children we’re supposed to be looking out for.

 ·         Unionizing childcare will not help to advance early childhood development, and providers will not reap the benefits that they’ve been promised without having to suffer much larger consequences. I’m against unionizing – for the children’s sake and my own.

 ·         When it comes to unionizing childcare, the discussions have revolved around increased pay (for the provider), increased reimbursement rates (for the provider) and professional development and training (for the provider). Very seldom do we hear discussion about child development or improved early education. This bill does not take the best interests of the children into consideration.

  ·         The union does not emphasizes the best interests of children. Education and growth benefits for children fall by the wayside in union discussions. I believe a union will create more regulation and demand on me and consume valuable time that would otherwise be spent on the development of children.

 ·         As a small business owner I set my own rates that are fair and reasonable to my clients. Becoming an in-home childcare provider was a decision I made that has allowed me the flexibility of working within my schedule and the comfort of being my own boss. Unionization of childcare providers will remove the flexibility and eliminate those comforts; all while forcing me to pay for something I never wanted in the first place.

* Not to mention. where do they think the money is going to come from? They say that they will fight to qualify more parents by raising the subsidy guidlines and subsidy payments. This is another bill on the tax payers. It also sounds to me like socialist thinking. If you have kids, you will need the government to pay for your needs. Now, if they cant win against the state budget makers. Guess what, the added union costs will be put on the backs of the middle class hardworking parents that are straped with the cost of childcare already. We need voices so this does not happen.   

 

 

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2013, 04:44:58 PM »

agreed
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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2013, 06:31:10 PM »

I'm not in favor of automatic weapons for all private citizens regardless of mental capacity. There are plenty of non mentally ill persons I would not want having free run to purchase weapons. I think those who own weapons must always receive proper training and certification prior to owning any gun. I know that goes against the idea of a militia owning weapons to fight a government should the need arise, but even I should not be able to go out use a gun without showing proof of capacity. Other restrictions could come after that if needed such as mental capacity.

The school issue is so far beyond gun control and hits to common sense. If a shooter only had a handgun someone would have still been hurt and not ever teacher is capable of shooting someone even if they had a gun and training. Nor can anyone say that a guard would have been there to stop the issue. How about all doors being alarmed and if opened they sound. Have all visitor come to a holding area where they meet with someone on the other side of glass to say why they are there. How about parents lock up their guns and check to make sure they are there more often.

I'm a parent who has had their home robbed recently and still feel that I don't feel comfortable having a firearm in the home with small children. My parents had guns when I was young and there were no issues. Every person and situation is different. I agree this is a societal issue and a common sense issue. We don't need to tag our kids with GPS, take guns from hunters or recreational shooters, or blame anyone. We need to look at what went wrong and make people safe. Smaller clips and single shots kill fewer but still kill. Kids hide things from parents just like parents hide things from kids. Legislation against guns, games and the size of a gun won't stop crazy or ill people.
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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2013, 06:59:14 PM »

First of all, the average citizen cannot purchase an automatic weapon without going through ATF and having a special license for such things. You have to have an ATF tax stamp to purchase such things as a short barrel rifle or a suppressor.

You have to have a Class III license in order to purchase an automatic weapon. Expensive and not easily attained.

The average citizen can purchase a semi automatic rifle, only after a NICS (National Instant Criminal Background Check System). If you have a clean record, you can make the purchase. The Feds are only allowed to keep the information on each purchase for 6 months, in order to avoid them being able to establish a gun registry. If you believe that, you have more faith in the Feds than I do. But the point is, only people who are legal to make a purchase are allowed to make the purchase. This is not how it works at gun shows or on a person to person sale. So perhaps having background checks mandatory at gun shows is an acceptable task. But anything above and beyond that is unacceptable. Limiting weapons because they look scary is ridiculous. Limiting the size of a magazine is ridiculous as well. Perhaps part of the answer lies in getting the idiot politicians educated. Chicago has the toughest gun laws in the country and last year, well over 500 people were killed there. And it wasn't from the law abiding citizens. New York also has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and they had a conviceted felon get a gun and shoot two firefighters. Connecticut also has very strict gun laws and yet a crazy man was able to acquire the weapons for his assault at Sandy Hook. None of those weapons were acquired legally. Perhaps the Obama administration should focus on making a list of criminals and doing everythng in their power to keep them from getting weapons instead of focusing on the law abiding citizen who has jumped through the necessary hoops to make legal purchases. Maybe the answer there lies in the fact that this administration isn't exactly squeaky clean on weapons.

All this talk of gun control makes me think we need a very good man in charge of the whole thing; you know somebody who knows about weapons and can keep track of them, monitors sales, makes sure the guns aren't purchased by evildoers.... you know, someone like Eric Holder. He had a great plan of supplying weapons illegally to bad people so they could kill each other all the while being able to claim that it was the average citizen who was making the illegal purchases and transfers in what may have been an attempt to usurp the 2nd Amendment. But he was compromised by some whistleblowers and then the wheels came off the cart when a couple of the good guys (you know the type... the men who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies; foreign and domestic) got killed by his weapons. How quickly people forget this criminal activity, perpetrated by the man who holds the highest office in the country in the law enforcement community. So using smoke and mirrors, this same criminal enterprise (the Obama administration) made everyone forget about Fast & Furious, and is now focusing on the law abiding citizens post the tragic Sandy Hook shootings.
 
 

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