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Title: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Henry on January 20, 2010, 07:02:32 PM
(The following story appeared in today's St. Albans Messenger)

Fairfax man brutally beaten; sister offers $5,000 reward
By LEON THOMPSON
Messenger Staff Writer

FAIRFAX The family of a Fairfax man is asking for the public's help in discovering who severely beat him Tuesday evening and left him for dead.

Andy Naylor, 36, is awaiting surgery in Fletcher Alien Health Care today with multiple face and skull fractures, according to his sister Rebecca, who spoke to the Messenger via telephone this morning.

"My brother's face is disfigured," she said.

Rebecca said Andy Naylor was checking his mail in his truck at the end of his driveway when a group of men pulled up, smashed his window and pummeled his head and face.
Naylor   remained   unconscious   for some time before he came to and sought help.

Emergency workers rushed him to the Northwestern Medical Center in St. Albans and then to Fletcher Allen, where he is in intensive care, said his sister.

Trauma doctors have told the Naylors that Andy's assailants likely beat him with a hammer or baseball bat, not their hands, Rebecca said.

"They left him there to die," Rebecca said. "Andy didn't see anyone, but he did hear voices."
Asked about a possible motive, Rebecca said her family has strong speculation about who beat Andy, because he recently served as a drug informant for police.

"We believe it has to do with that," Rebecca said.

Andy Naylor lives with his girlfriend, Kim, Rebecca said. He is a self-employed handyman.
Rebecca Naylor lives just outside of Boston, Mass., and is not in Vermont with her brother, because she is 36 weeks pregnant. She has personally offered a $5,000 cash reward for information that leads to the arrest and conviction of Andy's attackers.

"I want something to be done," she said.

Reached by telephone this morning, Vermont State Police Lt. Tom Hango, commander of the St. Albans barracks, said the case is under investigation. He declined comment until he could gather more information.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Stand Alone Defense on January 20, 2010, 10:21:29 PM
WOW really in the small town of Fairfax this is really sad!!! Hope Andy pulls out of this ok.  Maybe the drug dealing going on in Fairfax will get a little more attention now!!!
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Mummy on January 21, 2010, 01:59:46 AM
My heart goes out to Mr. and Mrs. Naylor for they are wonderful folks.  At this hour of their life they should NOT have to be dealing with news like this.   I don't know Andy but I do know James and he too is a great person.  Please know that you are in my thoughts and prayers. 
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: slpott on January 21, 2010, 06:33:50 AM
The same behavior that happens other places will happen here because we do not do anything about it. I have been told numerous times about the "houses" since I moved here and nothing is ever done. If we want it to happen here then just let things go as they are, if not, time to do something. Times are a changing and we may want to have a police officer in town. I know my husband would love to be the new Sherrif in town. He would even sleep outside in cold temps to find these people. We can not turn a cheek anylonger. I grew up in a small drug town and the results are awful. I know more people from there dead than alive. People may not want to pay the taxes for a police officer but you can not put a price tag on paranoia and crimes that come from it. I guess it is like the theory of "Terrorists". We can fight them on their own ground to keep them away from hurting us or we can let them come over and do nothing and see what happens. The end result in both cases is "they are coming". I am sick to my stomach thinking about Andy and his family. My heart goes to them all.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: cedarman on January 21, 2010, 07:49:09 AM
While slpott presents a good arguement for adding an additional expense to the town budget, just having a cop here in town isn't going to solve the problem (especially one "sleeping outside in cold temps to find (the bad guys)").   We need to continue to build person to person community bonds whenever and where ever possible.  We need to help each other and report suspicious activity.  I've heard some stories on here of people doing just that.  Most times it turns out to be nothing, but it is better to report things and have it turn out to be nothing than to let it go and it turn out to be something, possibly something BIG.
I think all too often, people know something is going on, but they don't do or say anything about it.  OR, they try to inform authorities, and they feel like they are wasting their time because the cops can't do anything about it without evidence. 
It is a fine line we all walk between wanting to make our communities safer, and also protecting our Rights.  Andy definately didn't deserve anything like this, and I hope someone saw something and will report it.  Unfortunately, unless someone was an eye witness and is willing to step forward after the fact, there may be little the cops can do. 

Maybe "justice" will be served in a less official manner.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: slpott on January 21, 2010, 09:41:31 AM
I was referring to the bike path benches and things being thrown in the river at night. He was willing to sit in the woods at night to catch who was doing it. That is what I meant by that statement. We can't always catch them if we don't look for them. I personally would be afraid to get involved or put myself in that situation but there are people like him that feel strongly about protecting American and its people whether it be at home or afar.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Mummy on January 21, 2010, 03:34:32 PM
I am not for more police!

As far as benches going into the river, we knew that was going to happen before the park was created and most likely it is middle/high school kids.  If this was a drug hit, it is out of the hands of little Fairfax.  Lets wait to see what the investigates reveals.   I believe in the Vermont State Troopers, they usually get to the bottom of most things.  Lets just wait this one out a little bit to see what develops.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: mkr on January 21, 2010, 06:15:35 PM
Thoughts and prayers to Andy, Kim, and family.  Unfortunately, doing the right thing for the police, most likely put himself as a target.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: mirjo on January 21, 2010, 07:10:31 PM
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As far as benches going into the river, we knew that was going to happen before the park was created and most likely it is middle/high school kids.

Really Mummy? So we shouldn't bother with a concession stand/restrooms etc because they too will be trashed by adolescent hoodlums and this is OK?

I think this is the kind of apathetic attitude that is being referred to here if I'm not mistaken. What is happening in the park is not OK, what has been happening at people's homes is not OK and what happened to Andy Naylor is DEFINITELY not OK.

If the "kids" are allowed to get away with this stuff unchecked just because it's 'expected,' then what? If their parents can't keep them in line (and the parents are probably decent people...) then who is going to?

I don't believe in starting trouble; however, I also don't believe in sitting back and taking crap from others who think they can do whatever they want, just because they have been allowed to "get away with it."

There is a HUGE drug problem in St. Albans, which is right next door. Dealers from larger areas have found their way up here because it's an easy mark...law enforcement coverage is scant compared to towns in Chittenden County. St. Albans City, that is JUST THE CITY is the only area with 24hr coverage. The city of St. Albans is not very big and does not include the outer lying town, which is covered by the sheriff and the last I knew the Franklin County Sheriff's Dept didn't have a contract with St. Albans Town to cover 24hrs, but that may have changed.

The State Police  do not patrol 24hrs either. I think their last shift ends at midnight or 2am. We certainly have a robbery/vandalism problem and it appears a looming drug problem (perhaps the reason for the robberies?)

Given what has happened to Mr. Naylor, it seems it's only a matter of time before things start moving here in a bad way. It's sad to see, but I think it's time to do something...a combination of things, neighborhood watch groups (although difficult in some areas with large lots/trees), active/trained town constables, more outside police presence in town...any other ideas that people can come up with.

Would the park get ruined if the kids who are doing the damage thought there would be unpleasant consequences for their actions? What makes a kid so bored as to ruin a park bench/paint road signs and bridges?Vandalize other people's private property?

I've been fortunate, but others have not. There is no accountability anymore it seems. Perhaps the best things for these kids would be to be caught and be made accountable for their actions somehow...punishment  to fit the crime and all that.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Henry on January 21, 2010, 07:28:04 PM
Andy Naylor's sister had the following letter in tonight's St. Albans Messenger:

$5,000 for info on assault
Tuesday night, Andy Naylor of Fairfax, VT was beaten in the face and head and left to die. He was checking his mail, when someone (more than one person) pulled up broke his window and started beating him in the head and face. He was rushed to St.. Albans hospital and then transferred to Fletcher Alien, where he is in intensive care awaiting surgery. Trauma doctors say this was not a job of "hands" but rather a hammer or baseball bat. Police have no leads because Andy didn't see anyone but did hear voices. So pretty much the Police they are saying they can't do anything. I am contacting the VT Attorney General and US District Attorney. Justice needs to be done! I am offering a $5,000 cash award for anyone with anyone information that leads to an arrest and conviction. I can be contacted on my cell phone at 239-297-3118.
Rebecca Naylor
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: slpott on January 21, 2010, 08:15:34 PM
I sure would like to see it happen BEFORE things get out of hand rather than AFTER they already are out of hand. That is why St. Albans has such a bad problem. They thought it might go away and look what happened. We should take pride as we are one of the cleanest town and with any luck we can keep it that way.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: David Shea on January 21, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
Regarding police coverage.

A stipulation should be written into any future contract for law enforcement.

All cruisers must be outfitted with GPS tracking hardware.  Hardware must be powered on during the hours that services are contracted with Fairfax Town.  Hardware and will be provided by Fairfax.  GPS data must be downloaded bi monthly at the town offices to authenticate routes and hours that officers are on patrol in town.  Data download is contingent upon monthly payment for services.

Hardware and software like this are available.  Casella Waste Management used a system like this to design routes and curb overtime.

I do not have a problem paying for a service as long as I know what I am getting.  A recurring theme, here on VTGRANDPA,  regarding our current law enforcement contract is that the town does not get adequate coverage beyond the village.  A portable GPS system installed in the on duty cruiser, and data reviewed by the select board, would take the mystery out where our law enforcement dollars are being spent.  A system like this could also provide real data regarding response time for auto accidents, fires, emergencies at the school etc.

Thats my opinion...
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: vtoutdoorguymb on January 21, 2010, 11:33:28 PM
One problem with the GPS tracking would be that (I assume) it would have to be public record. Do you really want everyone and their uncle being able to review the entire patrol that law enforcement does? It would not take much time or effort for someone with bad intentions to find times and places where they know the police won't be...
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: David Shea on January 22, 2010, 07:32:13 AM
My first thought about vtoutdoorguy's comment would be that I hope that the police patrols are variable.  If they patrol the same places at the same time every week this does not create an element of surprise.  To answer your question regarding system capabilities read below.

Good question regarding potential criminals being able to see where the police are in " real time".  The system that I am referring to does not provide instant positioning.  What it does do is log all vehicle positions, routes, speeds, time stopped, frequency of time of over a thresh hold speed limit, time that a vehicle sits in one spot, plus many more features.

The data is archived in the unit that is mounted in the vehicle and needs to be downloaded to the base station that is connected to software on a standard desktop computer.  Data can be downloaded wireless or it can be done by removing the unit and connecting it to the base unit.  This data can then be reviewed at a later time to be evaluated, in this case the selectboard.  This type of system would also give us a better idea of how much time is spent in the Fairfax vs administration time in the office.

The short answer is the system I am referring to does not have real time reporting, but instead passive reporting.  A big benefit to this system is the monthly billing charges do not apply.  Buy the equipment and use it without service fees.

This type of system could also be used to evaluate our bus routes, plow routes, use of town vehicles, and many other features would provide additional benefits.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: celts79 on January 22, 2010, 09:50:46 AM
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Post by: slpott on January 22, 2010, 10:36:33 AM
amen CELTS79. It is hard to chase a criminal down if you can not tie your own shoes. I say that being way over weight but I am not applying for the job either. I think police officers should be fiit for the job. I also strongly think that we need a police department. Fairfax could be self sufficient and a wonderful place to live if we keep up with the times. I love it here but for those very same reasons I can see it changing very quickly. When drugs and crimes are on the rise, we should also be on the rise. As far as the opinion of the previous selectboard member, it is what it is. It is beyond a choice or option now. It is now a fact. We need help and serious help. I notice more and more "different cars and people" coming into town and not just driving through. I do not know everyone but after living here for awhile you recognize. They do not look like the typical "new in town" folks. If we all took pride in fairfax we could do wonders. This is not just a place to live but a large part of our lives. After all, we do pay for it so why not take good care of it. Especially if we want to spend the rest of our olives here. The investment is worth it.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: cedarman on January 22, 2010, 10:51:59 AM
I wonder how many people demanding more and local police coverage are doing so to alleviate themselves from getting involved (taking steps to help protect themselves, watching out for neighbors homes when they are gone, picking up the phone to report suspisious activities, etc.).  THAT my friends is the FIRST line of defense and keeping our neighborhood safe.
More cops MIGHT help deter some crime, but, they have rules to obey which limit what they are able to do with respect to preventing crime, and catching people after the fact.

No witnesses + no evidence = nobody held accountable
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Chris Santee on January 22, 2010, 11:45:51 AM
Rebecca's phone is not in service.
Anybody know how Andy is doing ?
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Post by: Chris Santee on January 22, 2010, 11:48:39 AM
FAHC confirms he is in Intensive Care Unit, but only family can get specifics.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Chris Santee on January 22, 2010, 11:51:43 AM
I'd also like to add that neither the Franklin County Sheriff's Department
nor the Vermont State Police are responsible for this horrific incident.

Those responsible are unknown to us, at this time.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Chris Santee on January 22, 2010, 02:08:57 PM
Sorry, Drew, my friend, maybe it was your twice commenting on their cell phone use.
or maybe it was this statement from another poster:
"What you have patrolling the streets here (and the Town pays through the nose for it) is a bunch of over weight, under educated, poorly trained, under paid Sheriffs who could care less about the Town and it's residents, simply because (but not the only reason)  they don't reside here."
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: treebeard34 on January 22, 2010, 02:27:26 PM
Also remember that said patrols would have to generate revenue. they are not just going to be there looking for drug dealers. thats going to mean more speeding tickets, more failure to stops, more tailgating etc. etc. they will be looking for ways to make money.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: special ED on January 22, 2010, 02:56:45 PM
if it were my family involved there would be no question what needs to be done 
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Mummy on January 22, 2010, 06:47:39 PM
I like the WAY Special Ed thinks.  I vote for Special Ed for anything he is running for.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: celts79 on January 22, 2010, 06:48:14 PM
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Post by: Mummy on January 22, 2010, 07:02:15 PM
Oh, about the Town Police ....  Where shall we build the jail that we are going to need in order to house all these criminals?  Next to the Rec Path or the School?  So now we have a staff of at least 6-fulltime police at a salary of $50,000/person ($300,000); at least 2-police cars ($60,000) one has to be a 4x4; Police Station $250,000; plus health insurance, education, vacation time, workers comp, and maintenance on the cars and building that is just $800,000.00 to START that the Town would need to begin with having a Police Department.

Westford doesn't have a Police Department nor does Cambridge or Jeffersonville.  There are other options here like requesting the Selectboard to require a different expectation from our current Police coverage.  We need to develop Watch Groups and most importantly we need to break the cycle of being a BEDROOM Community!
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Post by: celts79 on January 22, 2010, 07:06:36 PM
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Post by: Mummy on January 22, 2010, 07:36:02 PM
We need to consider all the information here.  RE-read the article!
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Post by: Mike Raburn on January 23, 2010, 02:01:48 AM
I have not read word for word all of the posts here but I do know that the victim will know who these thugs were when he comes around. I also know that the Police that used him as an informant are working the case. They just are not letting on.

I also know that I like Ed's idea.

An armed society is a polite society.
Pack em if you got em.

Sad thought, but a fact of life.

The police cannot be everywhere all of the time.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: snaylor on January 23, 2010, 08:59:53 AM
Andy is out of ICU, and is doing well.  His 8hour surgery went well.  Rebecca had to change her number so it is no longer in service.  Just wanted everyone to know that Andys surgery went well and he is out of ICU and is doing well.  Thank you for all of you that were concerned about him, he greatly appreciates all the prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: mary on January 23, 2010, 09:12:04 AM
I'm surprised about the negative comments regarding the Sheriff's Department. I've been involved for years in jobs that involve periodic contact with law enforcement or needing to advise others that it is time to involve law enforcement. I generally have good luck in Franklin County with the sheriffs and have found that that for many tense situations having a sheriff who's a little older and more experienced (or who has been mentored by one of these officers) helps diffuse a problem before violence erupts or re-erupts. Have had generally good feedback from people who have sought assistance from the department. (The deputies also know how to get papers served when someone is attempting to evade without it costing an arm and a leg.)  There's a lot of different types of law enforcement duties going on out there - am sure each department and individual officer can learn something from the another.  
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Post by: Henry on January 23, 2010, 09:29:48 AM
Thanks for posting your Uncle Andy's status SNaylor.  We all knew he was in serious condition but had no way of finding out how he was doing.  Please keep us updated.
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Post by: slpott on January 23, 2010, 09:47:33 AM
I may not be the sharperst tool in the shed but I can not and will not ever think that a school produces these "types" of children. They may educate and assist these children BUT it all starts at home. Not only is it NOT the teachers responsibility to teach morals and standards but it is not their responsibility and shouldn't be. I would highly recommend that each person who has an opinion on this matter spend some time volunteering at the school. You will be blind sided by the things these teachers see and deal with. Maybe our tax dollars should not go to nursing these kids whos parents do not take them to the Doctors or feed these kids breakfast, lunch and leftovers or fruit for dinner knowing there is no food in the house. If the teachers don't do it than it needs to be a community efforts. I agree with taking away welfare but the kids should not be punished in the mean time. I do not know the answers but I do know that although the teachers responsibilities have changed, I do not recall when they said that we could have as many kids as we want, don't have to take care of them or teach them anything and the schools would do it for us. Some of us believe that that is what is happening. If you want to take $$$$$$$ from teachers and pay them for just the teaching and the 3 month vacation they get, you must take all the distractions away too. I personally would lose my mind with their job. Especially for being privy that the teachers do work all summer regardless of what it seems. They take work home everynight to correct, they plan for the weeks, they collect supplies for certain lessons, they talk to complaining parents and sometimes nice ones, they re-do their rooms in the summer, organize and plan for the next year, take required classes to stay current. I know one teacher that had about 2 weeks total vacation (straight time) after doing all the things that were needed to be done. I know I could not do it. I barely keep up with 2 and all their needs. I am very thankful for the teachers but that is only my opinion.
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Post by: Travis on January 23, 2010, 11:55:23 AM

First off, I'd like to say that my prayers are with Andy right now. I can only imagine the pain that he and his family are feeling now.

From what I've heard, Andy was a federal informant. Because of this, when they catch these guys, and I'm sure they will eventually, they are going to get a lot of additional time in prison.

I'm with Mike and Ed on this one. Why do I carry a gun? Because I can't carry a cop.

First and foremost, the police are not legally required to protect any specific individual unless of course that person is of special interest, such as a state's witness in court proceedings or politicians, of course. This has been decided by the US Supreme Court. So all the hopes of being perfectly protected from all harm and crimes against you by spending what will ultimately be millions of dollars to hire a small police force are not based in reality. I've heard people complain about the training of the Sheriff's department that we currently have. How much will we be willing to spend on training? Good training is very expensive. Liability is also a huge concern. Hire just one bad apple and we could be on the hook for a multi million dollar lawsuit.

Even if you lived next door to a police station, you cannot expect them to protect you instantly. They cannot be everywhere all of the time. When something like what happened to Andy happens, having the police respond in 2 minutes, is still 2 minutes too late. Remember this... when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

The only person responsible for yours and your family's safety is you.
Title: Re: Fairfax Man Brutally Beaten - Sister Offers $5,000 Reward
Post by: Mummy on January 23, 2010, 12:06:05 PM
Well put Travis!
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Post by: celts79 on January 23, 2010, 01:26:10 PM
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Post by: Mike Raburn on January 23, 2010, 01:38:27 PM
Interlock needed.
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Post by: celts79 on January 23, 2010, 01:45:25 PM
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Post by: Travis on January 23, 2010, 01:51:46 PM
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First and foremost, the police are not legally required to protect any specific individual - Hire just one bad apple and we could be on the hook for a multi million dollar lawsuit.


You have no idea what you're talking about and even less about Law enforcement. Furthermore, what moron would ever think that any PD could completely protect them from harms way your statements are ludicrous, your argument is ridiculous... 

I'm afraid that you are the one that has no idea what you are talking about. Please take a moment and educate yourself on the US Supreme Court decision Castle Rock vs Gonzales. An individual has no right to police protection, even in the presence of a restraining order.

It seems that some people would rather abdicate their personal responsibility of self protection to the government. And I'm the one with my head buried in the sand?
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Post by: celts79 on January 23, 2010, 01:54:41 PM
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Post by: Mbsc on January 23, 2010, 03:30:38 PM
    The people posting on this thread should stop and think about opening up a new one. How would you feel to be a member of the Naylor family posting some news about your loved one to read some of the comments on this site? I would think they would rather see well wishes and offers of support

  Has any one in town started a fund at the local bank for people to give donations to?  If so maybe someone could post the information for the people that have moved out of town that would like to help Andy and his family.

I hope that Andy has a full recovery and can get back on his feet soon.

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Post by: celts79 on January 23, 2010, 05:05:48 PM
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Post by: Mike Raburn on January 23, 2010, 08:03:39 PM
Celts79

I was not commenting on your freedom to post your view here.

I am generally just a wisearse.

Trust me....

Take NOTHING I say personal.

You are allowed to spew as much sewage as I am!!!
see
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Post by: tfence on January 24, 2010, 06:43:01 PM
Hope a stereotype is not developing on transplanters. Best wishes to a speedy recovery to Andy and Family. We transplanted here to get away from these types of situations. This type of stuff happened all the time while I was growing up in the city.
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Post by: mirjo on January 25, 2010, 12:30:58 AM
Again with celts79 leaving holes where his/her posts used to be...who is this person that (he/she) is so easily scared off by dissension?
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Post by: slpott on January 25, 2010, 06:59:47 AM
I enjoyed celts. He put a lot of things out there to think about but then again I like hearing and sharing different points of view. He does remind me of Archie Bunker though who I absolutely adore. If he was that miserable he would not live in Fairfax. Hope he comes back and joins us soon. We have all probably needed to "edit" at one time or another.
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Post by: mirjo on January 25, 2010, 10:01:48 AM
I know I have, but haven't left an empty space...of course I'm prone to stay the course when I believe in what I'm saying, even if  it's against the odds! I just feel like I missed an important piece of the discussion since celts deleted everything he said! I too like Archie Bunker, not  because I necessarily agree with everything he says, but because he doesn't care who he offends (everyone equally) and he takes himself so seriously. That's why the show was so great. 

I have found that people get most upset when there are flagrant, damaging lies being told or a modicum of truth that no one wants to hear.