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Title: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Henry on June 11, 2013, 06:44:29 AM
The following article written by Jessie Forand, Messenger Staff Writer appeared in the Monday Evening Edition, June 10, 2013 of The St. Albans Messenger:

Decision angers some seniors
 
By JESSIE FORAND
Messenger Staff Writer

 
FAIRFAX - The man first chosen by students to be the commencement speaker this Saturday at Bellows Free Academy, Fairfax's commencement ceremonies has been barred from doing so.

John Woodley was a special education teacher at the school who recently resigned and although the senior class students voted to have him speak, the school administration has rejected the idea.

BFA senior Lyla O'Brien contacted the Messenger to explain, saying "I, and a large portion of the senior class at BFA have become very discontented and disturbed by the administration at our school."

She claimed the graduating class was given the opportunity to vote on a speaker, with no restrictions given.

The majority of the seniors voted for Woodley; she said, during a meeting supervised by teachers, who also serve as advisors.

"Later that week, although there were no formal announcements, the senior class heard we had to revote for our class speaker because Mr. Woodley was not allowed to speak, although no reason was given why;" she continued.

O'Brien and fellow students became "outraged" at the school administration, she said, adding that she and classmate Emily Filiberti met with the school's principal Michael Clark in hopes of learning why their choice of a speaker had been denied, a decision they felt was unfair and a denial of students' rights.

Clark, she claimed, refused to provide a reason, saying that any information that could be given was "confidential."

O'Brien said she asked Clark, "Is Mr. Woodley allowed on school grounds?" She said that no answer was given.

"What was most disturbing about this meeting was I knew why Mr. Woodley did not work at BFA at the school anymore," O'Brien said, adding that strained relationships with school leadership have led some
faculty members to leave their positions at the school.

She c,ontinued, "As students we have a right to be informed and I am outraged at the way my school treats both its students and its faculty. I believe that graduation is about the seniors and we should be allowed to make important decisions as adults and question the authority of the administration."

O'Brien's mother, Paula Minch, also contacted the Messenger.

"They (the students) overwhelmingly voted for Mr. Woodley, a former teacher at the school. A week later the seniors were told they had to revote but no reason was given why Mr. Woodley could not speak. They revoted with more than half the class missing because they are all so angry about it. Now a little more than a week before graduation they will not tell the seniors who will be speaking at their graduation," she claimed.

However, Clark told the Messenger this morning, "The school is very proud to have Katie Mack as its graduation speaker." 

Mack is a teacher and soccer coach at the school.

Clark said of Mack, "The students nominated and voted her in."

That vote occurred May 20, he said. This came days after Woodley said he had been chosen. In that voting process, Clark said, a number of faculty members were nominated, students voted, "and Katie Mack was
the person that they selected in that nomination."

When asked about Woodley specifically, Clark said, "If you want to talk about John Woodley you're going to have at the superintendent's level."

Superintendent Ned Kirsch said this morning that he had not heard from students or parents, concerned about the speaker.

"I don't think it's an issue, 1 think the biggest thing is, we have a graduation coming up Saturday and we're going to be celebrating great accomplishments of hard work for a ton of kids, and really; to me, that's what's important," he said.

Kirsch said the high school principal felt it wasn't an appropriate decision to have Woodley speak. Kirsch said he supported that decision.

When asked for specifics he said, "As I'm sure you know, there's just some things that we're not at liberty to discuss."

Kirsch said he had not seen anything like this happen during his three years as superintendent with the Franklin Northwest Supervisory Union.

"I'm focusing on a real positive graduation. I'm really surprised that this is the story, but, you know, I haven't read the story, obviously" he said.

The superintendent said "he was surprised that he had not been contacted by those offering complaints. "I'm not sure where this is all coming from," he added.

Kirsch said he looks forward to Saturday's graduation when "kids and parents and community celebrate our amazing seniors who are graduating and entering the world and following their dreams."

Woodley, while he wished to comment further, told the Messenger that he also was barred from doing so under conditions agreed to at the time of his resignation.

However, he did allege that other Fairfax teachers fear retaliation should they speak out and that students are "feeling bullied and not listened to."

Woodley said he was "concerned that the behavior of administration runs completely contrary to the mission statement of the school and contrary to the supervisory union action plan, not to mention basic
human dignity."

Bellows Free Academy, Fairfax, according to that plan, "is committed to ensuring all students become informed, literate, critical thinkers who demonstrate responsible social and civic behaviors."

O'Brien said she felt graduation should be focused on the school's seniors, too, but that they should be allowed to make adult decisions and question the authority of administrators.

"I want the administration to know that the senior class is not happy with our principal especially and we deserve change," she said.



Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: lena6 on June 11, 2013, 01:45:08 PM
It sounds to me this is between Mr. Clark and Mr. Woodley and has nothing to do with our school.  Mr. Woodley should have been allowed to speak or the Seniors should have been told why he could not.  There is way too much crap going on behind closed doors at our school.  I feel bring it out in the open and get the parents involved in decision making.  After all, BFA has our children in the palm of their hands.  If they can 't deal with it, get out and get someone over there that cares about our kids.  There is more to teaching and being an administrator than just collecting a pay check.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: rod anode on June 11, 2013, 02:26:04 PM
right on lena.............it takes a village????????
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: sdogallen on June 11, 2013, 04:57:03 PM
When is somebody going to question why so many good people have left their positions at BFA- Fairfax over the last 5 years? So sad, its always the kids that end up suffering in the long run.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: nhibbard on June 11, 2013, 06:47:49 PM
When is someone going to change leadership if there is a problem. The school Board sets the tone. If there's a leadership issue it would be there.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: vtoutdoorguymb on June 11, 2013, 07:34:51 PM
I have known John Woodley for many years, and only have good things to say about him. Mr Clark, on the otherhand, seems to have worn out his welcome with both the town, staff, and teachers. I think that may be time for him to move on. Too many outstandung staff and programs have been cut or forced out from BFA under his watch. Its a shame what has happened to date...
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Julie & 6pt Dave on June 11, 2013, 08:33:28 PM
Contrary to the administration's belief, it is a big deal. The kids did suffer over this event, and I know because my daughter was one of them. There were many seniors who were angry and frustrated. The courageous few tried to stand up and fight for what they believed was right. Many tears were shed. The students, mine being one of them, felt powerless to the force that was in front of them telling them he would not bend. They were not told why. They have been taught the process of democracy and this was to be a democratic process. They followed the BFA tradition of nominating those mentors that they connected the most to during their high school years. Mr. Woodley was the majority's choice and he was barred from speaking without a clear reason to the students other than he doesn't align with the mission statement. Whatever it was that happened between Mr. Clark, Mr. Kirsch, and Mr. Woodley that led to Mr. Woodley's resignation, it was between them, and it had nothing to do with the students who adored Mr. Woodley and wanted him to speak at their high school graduation. And they are the one's who are suffering. They are leaving with a bitter taste in their mouth. Shame on the administration. In my opinion, it was handled very poorly all around. In the end, what did this really teach them about democracy?
It's time the Fairfax community wakes up and realizes what has happened and continues to happen to their beloved school.
-Dave
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: mmatthews on June 12, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
If this is as big of a deal to the parents, students, and tax payers of Fairfax as it sounds according to the posts on here and the news article, I sincerely hope that people use this forum as a way to gather and organize instead of complain but take no action.  If people are sincerely upset and feel wronged I know it takes courage and daring to stick your neck out but maybe banding together and presenting a united front at the next school board meeting, or coming up with another tactic to incite change or at least garner an explanation.  Don't let the administration make all of you feel powerless. 
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: ohhman on June 12, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Mr. Woodley has been at our school a long time &,  in my opinion,  a very good person, teacher, human being, someone who truly cared about the students.  I do not know what has happened but it is a very sad situation.  Some say go to the school board, but I can honestly say, they are controlled by a "higher power", someone who came here only a 3 years ago & tried to change things as he saw for the better~ trying to get rid of our buses for one, and no, not our principal, but the superintendent; someone who tried to push his ways through, seems to control our board too much to ever go against him, so maybe he controls the administrative staff this way too.  I have had our principal,  Mr. Clark,  have our back in a personal situation, one we still are not allowed to talk about, & he was very supportive, understanding, & helpful.  So maybe his answer is controlled by this "higher power, not OK for sure, but maybe those should request Mr. Kirsch's presence at 1 of their 3 graduation practices to get some answers.  As for him "not having heard concerns", well the students were going in the chain of command you need to follow.  Yes, some things are confidential & not be spoken of, found this out 1st hand this year,  BUT I feel these kids should have a fair answer,  & sometimes, no matter who you are & what position you hold, you have to bite your tongue, put personal feelings aside & allow others to have their choice, providing it is safe;  I think Mr. Woodley is a SAFE person & would be a wonderful speaker for these kids.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Julie & 6pt Dave on June 12, 2013, 09:21:56 PM
It is interesting that Mr. Kirsch claims he was not contacted by any students regarding this matter, because I know for a fact that a letter about the issue was sent to Mr. Clark, Mr. Kirsch, and the Schoolboard Chair from an officer of the senior class speaking for the senior class. Did the press get it wrong? Or was someone not telling the truth? And if someone wasn't telling the truth, you have to ask yourself why.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Rev. Elizabeth on June 13, 2013, 06:13:48 AM
Hello: I am posting this for my husband, Fred Griffin

Greetings:

 I have coached at BFA Fairfax for sixteen years and I have taught English here for nine years.  I am very proud of our fine school.  I offer a different voice than some who have spoken in this forum of late.


We have an extraordinary ex-curricular program in which upwards of 65% of all students participate.  These numbers are unheard of in a public school.  We produce a three-act musical, compete in the One-Act Play contest.  Our students hold two K-12 Literary Arts contests and publish two 100 page editions of Genesis, a student fine arts magazine.  We take students to England, France, Latin America.  The performance of our sports teams is exemplary.  We have an active and successful Scholars Bowl team and we enter the TASC math/science hands-on competition.  This is by no means a comprehensive list and it is not done in spite of school leadership, but with the support of school leadership.

 

The Support Block system instituted two years ago has given teachers a critical role in the academic success of each of the students they mentor for four years.  The extra oversight and assistance provided students in this model has reduced failures to fractional numbers.

 

The transition  towards a “digital” school has been difficult for an older faculty (of which I am definitely one!), but IPads have brought a creativity flexibility to my classroom I would never have dreamed possible. Virtual High School has provided a dizzying array of courses to our students they would never have accessed in a tradition setting.  I have contacted by area teachers interested in how Fairfax does what it does.  They are eager to follow our lead.

 

No school no business, no work setting is without issues.  They are part of human existence.  To my mind the positive initiatives and the accomplishments of our school are remarkable.  I am glad I teach here.

 

We prepare next year for a NEASC evaluation in which our school will be assessed on all levels by a team of professionals from outside our area who job it is to do just this. I am curious as to whether my viewpoint, or the viewpoint of some of the contributors to this forum, will be vindicated. For the moment will we be not better served to take a deep breath, let it out slowly, and take a cool, calm look at school, at life.

Fred Griffin
Teacher of English, BFA Fairfax
Head Coach Cross-Country Running, Cross-Country Skiing, Girls Ultimate
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: nhibbard on June 13, 2013, 04:36:21 PM
Yet none of that comment speaks to what the issue was. The students chose someone and the administration decided to make their own choice. Apparently some students and parents feel they were not given an adequate explanation.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Mummy on June 13, 2013, 10:37:01 PM
I think the message is:

It is what it is - value your future; the past in done!

or

Life is unfair and then you die!

or

Accept what is tossed your way and enjoy what you can!

or

It is because someone has the power to do what they did!  They win and you loose ... Have you picked the color of your College dorm yet?  Have to gone Dorm Shopping yet?  You know, move on ...
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: nhibbard on June 14, 2013, 04:44:18 AM
sounds like the last one. it actually is:

someone did something you don't like. they're at a public school to serve the public. elect new leadership and get the results you want. prior results do not equal future service. don't expect the same person to act differently when put in the same position again. if you give an inch they take a mile.

Yes, it was a small thing to an adult that has more life experience. But it was a huge thing to someone who is 18. This is a meaningful time in their lives and is this a message that is acceptable. "Well sure you voted one way but we went the other." Yes it does happen in life and that needs to change or be better explained.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: cedarman on June 14, 2013, 07:18:58 AM
I have heard of the many great things that are accomplished by the students and the staff at the school.  I also know one great, hard working individual who walked away from his job there after many happy years of service over a "personnel conflict" created by the current administration.  I don't have a child at the school (yet).

However, what I do know from my own job experience is that dedicated employees of a company (or public organization) can and do achieve great things while tolerating significant personal stress.  The achievements of those individuals dedciated to the cause can be touted by some to say "Look, we are doing great things here, therefore management is good",  but that can only be done for a few years until poor management decisions ultimately grind down the spirits and dedication of those individuals. 

Even more significant is what this incident has now taught an entire graduating class about the demoncratic process :  "IF you are not in a position of power, your vote and opinion do not matter".  Unfortunately, that lesson may be all to true in our current social order/process.  Maybe this is the administrations way of sending the 2013 class off into the world with their first dose of the reality of politics and control that we (sometimes blindly)  live under. :(
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Loctavious on June 14, 2013, 10:13:33 AM
Some key and valid points have been made here.  One can choose to not let things get them down - sure, but when does trying to not stress over things that appear or that you're told you cannot change become complacency?  HOW will anyone ever know what issues are truly at hand or brewing under the service if they cannot see and are kept from seeing what those issues are?  Trust is earned, and as of late there's been too many instances where any sort of truth has been withheld due to the 'Confidential' excuse. 
I know of at least 2 instances in the past 4 years where parent's concerns and/or protests have been dismissed by this so-called confidentiality excuse.  When it comes to school administration, there is no recourse, no appeal process in which to contest decision-making, let alone full-disclosure of rationale or criteria for the decisions made.  There's a point where trust wears thin and the multiple examples start to create suspicion.

From what I've seen in the past 4 years on this forum and in my personal experiences, there is good reason to be weary of and concerned by the veil of confidentiality that permeates anything of questionable nature when it comes to adminstrative decision making.  How would the citizens even know if the claim of confidentiality is being abused, overused, or has been misinterpreted and theredfore misused?
 
 
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: CindyG on June 14, 2013, 01:20:56 PM
 Yes, we have a high participation rate in extracurricular activities.  But that is far from the whole story.  And it doesn't make our test scores rise. And obviously hasn't.  Check it for yourself. 

I feel like the kids are treated as potential perpetrators rather than kids that make mistakes and need support and guidance.   When I went to BFA many years ago, kids that needed help got if and an effort was made to keep them in school, not remove them at the first opportunity.  That's the difference between Dick Brown and Michael Clark.
 
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: CMS42 on June 15, 2013, 10:17:39 PM
Considering the number of people viewing this article and the general tone of the responses thus far, it would be a truly fantastic thing if the public would follow the suggestion of one member's post: come together as a community at some type of public forum, such as the school board meetings. These are typically poorly attended, and yet so many people feel out of touch with what is going on in our school and with our school leadership.

It is one thing to feel strongly about something that happens in our community; it is a different matter entirely to actually stand up and DO something about it. Perhaps if enough of us come together, the school board and administration will take notice. At the very least it may give them pause.

I hope that everyone who has concerns about this or any other matter in our school  will come to the next public Fairfax school board meeting on Wednesday, August 7th from 12-5 pm in the BFA Fairfax FACS room. I sincerely hope to see you there.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: cedarman on June 17, 2013, 12:33:26 PM
School board meeting: Wednesday from Noon to 5 pm.   What a convenient way to discourage attendance, especially in a "bedroom community" like ours.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Stand Alone Defense on June 17, 2013, 01:29:43 PM
School board meeting: Wednesday from Noon to 5 pm.   What a convenient way to discourage attendance, especially in a "bedroom community" like ours.

LOL if I was on Welfare I would be there!!
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Rev. Elizabeth on June 17, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
or if you were a senior citizen and retired; or if you were a teenager without a job, or if you were a stay at home mother; or if you worked part time; or if you were on holiday; or if it was your day off.......
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: katrinaantonovich on June 17, 2013, 02:04:20 PM
I'm not commenting on the issue here - I just wanted to point out - at the last school board meeting - which was in the evening of monday the 10th - I was the ONLY member of the public there. There were others there to see about issues addressed but all are school employees. There were some key issues to be discussed and I wanted to hear and have my say.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: ohhman on June 18, 2013, 01:05:48 PM
Geez, since this is within walking distance, maybe I should pack up all my little munchkins, lunches, nap mats, all their needs, & attend; bet it'd be such a productive meeting then!  Now that I have none of my own in the school, it may be the time to take time & go!! 
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: nhibbard on June 18, 2013, 04:51:07 PM
Sameis true of Selectboard meetings. Most of the times no one else showed. If you have strong feelings, you can send in a letter to the Board.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Stand Alone Defense on June 19, 2013, 08:24:22 AM
or if you were a senior citizen and retired; or if you were a teenager without a job, or if you were a stay at home mother; or if you worked part time; or if you were on holiday; or if it was your day off.......

Or if Butterflies had machine guns........ The birds wouldn't eat them????  FACT is Noon - 5 pm in the middle of the week isn't the best time to have a meeting that people can attend.  What if the Teenager without a job doesn't have a car??? Which if I didn't have a job as a teenager I sure as hell wouldn't have had a car...  Who is going to bring them?  Stay at home mothers.... My mom was a stay at home mother with 6 kids, how would she going to attend?  who would watch the kids? Senior citizens and Retired persons most likely do not have children that are still in school, so why would they attend?  If you fit into the other small group then yes you would be able to go, but like I said before the time is not even a little bit convenient
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: trussell on June 19, 2013, 08:58:52 AM
I'm not up on my state statutes, but is there a way for the voters enact an ordinance as to when public meetings are allowed to occur?  Remember- as long as the red tape is followed correctly the townspeople are the ones that ultimately have the final say, not the superintendent, school board, select board, town clerk, or any one person.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Rev. Elizabeth on June 19, 2013, 10:01:49 AM
of course the time is inconvenient, that goes without saying.....
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: nhibbard on June 19, 2013, 10:15:50 AM
I like Trevor's idea. We'll add no Executive Sessions as well.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: lena6 on June 19, 2013, 04:08:08 PM
I do not believe in Executive Sessions.  To me they are trying to hide things.  Yes I know, if it was about me would I want God and everyone know.  If it was bad enough for Executive Session it rots to be me. God and everyone should know.  How many whacks am I going to get for this.  Go ahead, I have  big shoulders.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Henry on June 19, 2013, 07:22:45 PM
Hi Henry,
I know I am not a registered user but I see a lot of discussion about school board meeting times under School Brass overrides Student Voice. 
The issue seems to be the meeting time...but they are quoting the board retreat time, not the scheduled meeting.  Would you clarify by sharing the following from the board's website and meeting minutes/agenda:

Schedule of Upcoming Meetings

BOARD RETREAT: Wednesday, August 7th from 12-5pm at BFA Fairfax FACS Room

REGULAR MEETING: Monday, August 12th at 6:30pm, Fairfax Community Library

FWSU BOARD MEETING: Wednesday, September 18th at 6:30pm, FWSU Office




Most frequently they meet the second week of the month on Mondays at 6:30. 
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: lena6 on June 20, 2013, 07:41:45 AM
What is a school board retreat?  Thank you.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: nhibbard on June 20, 2013, 04:50:25 PM
retreats are generally once a year to focus on bigger picture topics and not regular business.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Julie & 6pt Dave on June 21, 2013, 03:28:31 PM
The minutes of the June meeting are not posted yet, however if you watch the LCATV video of the meeting http://www.lcatv.org/program/fairfax-school-board-14 (http://www.lcatv.org/program/fairfax-school-board-14) you will see at about minute 197 and then again at minute 203 that the board decided to cancel their August 12th meeting, since they will be attending the retreat the week before, and have any needed business for the month take place at the retreat on Wednesday, August 7th, from noon to 5:00.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Watchman on June 30, 2013, 09:37:35 AM
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the greater Fairfax community for allowing me to work with your children and get to know so many of you over the last 23 plus years. Since I am John Woodley, it seemed appropriate to give you my heartfelt thanks. I have so many great memories over the years but I will mention three personal highlights. I was hired by Dick Brown in 1990 and had known him as a teacher and coach when I went to Essex Junction High School. I remember when he called me the conscience of BFA. I have always hoped I could live up to those words. Another highlight is that  I was selected by the National Honor Society in 2012 to give a speech to the parents and members at the 2012 induction ceremony. Obviously I am eternally honored that the class of 2013 selected me to be the speaker at their commencement. Nothing can ever take away from the warm feelings and respect I have for the many individuals I have come to know over the years from your wonderful community. Thanks to all of you. Sincerely, John Woodley
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: lena6 on June 30, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
Mr. Brown knew what he was doing when he hired you.  A great person or Mr. Brown would not have hired you.  What does this say about our present administrators.  Enough said.
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: ohhman on July 01, 2013, 12:33:19 PM
Mr. Woodley, as a parent of 3 graduates of BFA Fairfax, all of whom knew you, respected you & very much liked you, I want to say Fairfax has lost a great member of their staff, but even more sadly,  the students have lost a great teacher & mentor.   Even if my boys did not have you as a teacher, they spoke highly of you, of how you were always a friendly face in the halls, checking in on students, being a presence in the hall where it is very needed, attending sporting events to show your support.  As a parent, this is so what every school needs. I hope you know how important you were in our school, remember & be proud of all the good you did for the students.  Thank you!  I hope life gives you all the best & you receive many times over what you did for our students.  I am proud to sign my name in your support,   Karen (charboneau)  Hebert
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: vtoutdoorguymb on July 01, 2013, 06:25:39 PM
As a bfa alum who did have the pleasure of interacting with you, I echo karens sentiments exactly!  Bfa's loss!  -Marc B
Title: Re: School Brass Overrides Students' Speaker Pick
Post by: Watchman on August 12, 2013, 09:08:19 AM
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." Martin Luther King